Seems like I have become a sucker for smallish scopes. How many 4" class scopes do I have now? Geeze. But when it came to this scope, I just could not resist, since it was one of the scopes I lusted after as a teenager, glossing over Orion's black and white catalogs back in the 80's. This is the ultimate "bomb" proof scope, the one scope that any kid can kick around and still look at the moon or stars afterwards. It has also been around for a long long time. Heck it is almost as old as I am. Edmund Scientific introduced this radical new design (which by the way won an "Industrial Design Award" when it was unveiled for the first time) in 1976, 4 years after I was born. Norman Sperling and Mike Simmons designed this scope to be ultra durable and superbly simple to use, the perfect introductory scope. We all know that in order for a scope to qualify as a perfect beginners scope, it has to meet several criteria:
- Sufficient clear aperture
- Ease of use
- Uncomplicated
- Easy to maintain
- Most importantly portable so it can be carried anywhere (especially in this day and age of light pollution when we have to travel great distances to seek out darker pristine skies for stargazing!)
Details details.....
"Astroscan with its metal stand, carry strap and my new prototype long focal length Orion 18mm eyepiece"
So what is the Astroscan? Well although it sure does not look like your typical newtonian reflector, it does in fact utilize the simple newtonian configuration. It has a 4⅛" clear-inch (105mm) diameter f/4.2 aluminized, overcoated borosilicate parabolic primary with a focal length of 17½ inches (445mm) that is factory aligned, and there are no provisions for adjustment. Good or bad, it all depends. Most people would argue that in order for a scope this fast to perform optimally, one would have to collimate its mirrors ever so often for optimal performance at higher magnification. Since this was primarily designed for wide field panning (back in the 80's such scopes were called Richest Field Telescopes or RFT's), spot on collimation is not that much of an issue.
The scope I got only came with the metal stand and carry strap. It did not come with a finder. Many have judged this as an inconvenience, and the newer Astroscan's ship with a red dot unit finderscope (not the metal peephole finders from the days of yore). I did not find this as much of a hindrance as I could just ballpark the object and then scan around with my lowest powered ep (i.e. 24.5mm Meade SWA). That said this is not a scope for serious astronomy (i.e star hopping to faint galaxies). Even with a red dot finder I think it would be difficult as the movement of the ball is smooth in wide sweeps, but is not as smooth when it came to small precise movements. Maybe I need to wax the ball! Also with regards to actually using a finder on the Astroscan, I think a more suitable finder would be a Telrad (would try mounting the Telrad I got with my C8 OTA once I pry the finder base off the OTA!), or one of them tall Rigel finders as the profile would be higher and easier to use.
The focuser is crude but works surprisingly well. I have read horror stories of users turning the knob and the focuser tube (which is basically a metal tubing that is moved up and down via friction from the knobs) not moving. No such problems there. My model has what looks like teflon on the sides so movement is pretty smooth. The focuser tube also does not have setscrews so take extra care when using your heavier eyepieces. Speaking of heavier eyepieces, if you are viewing anything below 45 degrees, the scope has the tendency to nose dive, so you might have to cradle the bottom of the tube while you switch eyepieces.
Next comes the question when using the Astroscan......where do I set it up? Like all the other tabletop mini scopes, due to its low profile, you need some sort of table, car bonnet, etc. to raise the scope to a manageable height for viewing. I put it on the picnic table for some parts of the sky, and on the playhouse floor where the slides are located. Mounting the Astroscan was a problem on my Orion HD F2 as the quick release mounting shoe had a "too short" screw that would not tighten the metal base sufficiently to the shoe. It was easier to just rest the metal base on a flat surface. Now this is convinient if you have park benches nearby. If you out in the wilderness, you might have a problem. I find the scope cumbersome to use in seated mode on the floor as you have to really scrunch and contort your body in all sorts of weird positions to view through the eyepiece.
In the field
"Down the barrel of the gun. Notice the metal ring around the primary that add's weight to the scope"
The first object I looked at was the moon. My jaw dropped when luna came into view. Contrasty and sharp where the first two things that came to mind. The terminator region was just gorgeous. Even when I put in the 6mm Radian for 74x magnification (while cradling the tube as the scope nosedived the first time I inserted the ep) no issues with mushiness or smearing (a common problem in newtonian's with short focal length spherical mirrors).
Deep sky objects were nicely framed as well. As mentioned contrast was excellent despite the only fully coated optical window. This scope really excels for the larger sprawling objects such as the Andromeda Galaxy (M31), the Perseus Double Cluster (NGC869/884), the Pleiades (M45), the sword of Orion and M42, the great nebula in Orion as it shows these objects in context (even from light polluted skies!). It in effect acts like a giant monocular binoculars, but with the option of using filters and changing magnifications! I had the Astroscan side by side with the Orion StarSeeker II 130mm f/5, and while the StarSeeker went deeper, contrast was superior on the Astroscan. Will have to do a shootout between my Orion SkyScanner and Astroscan when I get the chance as they are virtually similar scopes!
Caveats? I had a look at old jove as it rose higher above the rooftops (initial views were terrible and the planet's disc would not focus down to a sharp image). As expected views were marginal at 74x magnification. I could make out the two cloud bands on the planets disk, but the planet never did come to complete focus. There was flaring's off the planets disk (worse than SkyScanner as Jupiter did focus down to a disk with no flaring's in the SkyScanner). Note that the flaring's was nowhere near as bad as what I had seen in the Celestron Firstscope mini dob or the Orion Funscope, both which have short focal length spherical mirror's. I need to confirm this by testing the scope on Jupiter when it is higher in the sky and not subjected to heat waves coming off the rooftops. That might have been the root of the problem here.
Conclusions
"Dewy scopes looking at old jove and the great nebula in Orion"
RFT was a term I found out was no longer in use when I got back into astronomy in 2010 - wide-field scopes are commonplace nowadays whereas they were rare in the 1980's.
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks to Mike Simmons for reintroducing the 5.1" collapsible Dob tabletop scope back to the States this September.
Your review makes me want to start using my old Orion Funscope (rocket scope with 3" parabolic mirror). Haven't really done any serious observing with it yet. Ditto for my 80mm Celestron Explorascope.
I know that Bushnell had a Voyager scope that was a clone of the Astroscan - however, I'm not sure if it had a parabolic mirror. I first saw it in the Scope City showroom over in Simi Valley last year.
The Bushnell Voyager has a spherical mirror. The only good thing about that scope is that you can collimate the secondary mirror, and it has a proper rack and pinion focuser. Heard the views are pretty bad in that scope, and judging from my experience with the Celestron Firstscopes and the Orion Funscopes, I am inclined to believe that. Scopes with such short focal lengths should never have spherical mirrors.
ReplyDeleteYup, I agree (spherical mirror + short focal length or ratio = poor images) . I suspect that the 80mm Celestron Explorascope has a spherical mirror as well, need to find out!
ReplyDeleteI think the Explorascopes came with parabolic optics from memory, or at least the 4" one did. they have the same parabolic mirror as the one on the SkyScanners...
ReplyDeleteInteresting - I've never come across the 100mm version. Possibly built in fewer numbers. Need to test my 80mm version to find out - but I've been so busy lately and I'm too tired to stargaze on the weekdays when I come home from UCLA (late).
ReplyDeleteI have seen a few come up on e Bay but never pulled the trigger as I already have the Orion SkyScanner. I think both the 80 and 100mm Explorascopes come with collimatable primary and secondary mirrors, which is a step up from the SkyWatcher penguin scopes (and the Astroscan's since the Astroscan's only has a 105mm mirror and its heaps bigger and heavier). Been really tired lately too. Don't know why...too much stress lol
ReplyDeleteOh yes, the primary is collimatable on this scope, forgot about that. I haven't looked at the scope in many months - it's stored in its original box.
ReplyDeleteFor me, it's papers to submit (submitted one a week ago and it just got accepted a couple of days ago!), grant proposals to turn in, and conferences to attend. Today I was involved in a measures gallery from 9:30am to 4:00pm (sort of like a poster presentation at a conference where you stand around your posters and answer questions to those who are looking at your study). We've been preparing this for many months, and now I'm glad it's over.
Wow you are a busy bee! Is it because its coming to the end of the year? Do you have to write grants too? Geeze. Anyways tomorrow night is going to be awesome if the weather holds up. Its going to be cold as hell but good. I got a 5x24 finder off e Bay for my Travelscope OTA so I will be using that as my primary imaging scope tomorrow night (not bringing the 102 refractor OTA so I can put both my mounts in the Orion bag!). And I will probably bring my C8 so I can test out the 2" SCT diagonal.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes it will be interesting to see the Explorascope. Have not seen one in the flesh....should put it on a shootout with the Astroscan ;)
I'm more involved in crunching the numbers and running the stats that goes into the grant proposals. I'll occasionally writeup the method sections as well. If you are interested, just type my name in Google and do a search to see the kinds of publications I've been involved in.
ReplyDeleteMy first thought was to bring the Powerseeker 114 tomorrow night, but I might try something different. My priority is still to observe, log and sketch new DSO's so I can get to 700 by the end of the year. I'm at 646, I've still got 54 objects to go - and two months left to do it in.
The only problem with my Explorascope is that the main mirror is somewhat dirty. And it's also missing a mount piece that allows a tripod to be threaded onto it.
I think you should stick to your plan and bring the Powerseeker 114. Nothing is worse than regretting not bringing your primary scope if it turns to out to be an awesome night out! Shootouts can come later.......
ReplyDeleteYes - especially since Friday looks like the only clear night this weekend at Malibu. Saturday is expected to get cloudy. Don't want to waste time - unless I go to Simi Valley on Saturday night (expected clear there)...
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for Malibu tomorrow. It has been a month...lol.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for Malibu tomorrow. It has been a month...lol.
ReplyDeleteYup, its been almost a month since I last observed (10/5), so it was good to go back out last night (11/1). Will be going there more often on the weekdays now that Daylight Savings will be ending and it gets dark by 5:30pm.
ReplyDeleteMy aim for the next few weeks is to observe Comet ISON from the 3rd floor of my apartment block. Will need to observe close to sunrise as the comet is currently in Leo and about mag 8
ReplyDeleteI have never tried to view a comet through any of my telescopes, not even Panstarrs! I've only seen them through other people's scopes or with my naked eyes (Halley's). I will finally do so with ISON this month or December.
ReplyDeleteYou need to be out early for ISON. It is only visible in the early hours.
ReplyDeleteYup - I'll try to catch a glimpse of it during one of my all-night sessions this weekend, probably on Saturday (projected to be clear).
ReplyDeleteIt's still pretty faint at about mag 8. Plus you need a clear eastern horizon, something Malibu does not have. Have to find another site with a nice flat eastern horizon....
ReplyDeleteApparently Lovejoy2013 is brighter and better at the moment. It's close to the Beehive cluster in Cancer so it's in a darker skies.
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